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Climate Science & Energy Engineering Dinner |
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Purpose We meet monthly for dinner on the second Monday of the month to discuss climate science and zero-carbon energy engineering. We feel that you can't be of much use as an environmentalist unless you are technically well-informed. Environmental problems are scientific problems, and how to solve them is an engineering question. If you are not technically well-informed, you will make inaccurate statements about science that are an embarrassment to the environmental movement, and the solutions you advocate will be ill-advised and/or counter-productive. So the purpose of these dinners is to create a space for informative discussion of climate science and zero-carbon energy engineering. Environmentalists who are scientifically poorly-informed have an infamous track record of making predictions (often dire) that do not materialize as scheduled, and advocating solutions that are poor engineering choices. |
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Date, Time, & Venue We will meet on the second Monday of every month from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm at the Skylight Diner see (map) at the southwest corner of 9th Avenue and West 34th Street in Midtown Manhattan, within easy reach of the A/C/E & 7 subways, and a block away from LIRR and NJ Transit at Penn Station. The restaurant has a large menu with many cuisines and does separate checks for large groups, so everyone can pay with their own credit card. |
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Our next meeting will be on Monday, December 8th, 2025 at 7:00 pm. Click here to sign up to get announcements
or send an email to "signup.climate.dinner@ccjj.info". |
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Predictions of Impacts of Climate Change: These estimates were obtained conversing with ChatGTP, mostly based on its reading the IPCC reports, particularly AR6.
The probabilities of each RCP path are not precisely known, the percent values given here are speculative. Note that the poles warm much faster than the planet as a whole. This is problematic because global wind patterns are driven by the temperature gradient as one travels from the equator toward the poles, and prevailing wind and precipitation patterns may change, disrupting agriculture. Once the concentration of CO2 rises above 1000 ppm, people can feel it -- the whole planet starts feeling like a stuffy room and people get uncomfortable. Some people start getting headaches and it can undermine attention-span. Sailors in submarines and astronauts are able to tolerate much higher levels than that, but it's uncomfortable for them. Note that such concentrations are unlikely before 2100, but may occur afterward. Many people believe that climate change poses a risk of causing human extinction this century. According to the IPCC reports, that is extremely unlikely. A heat wave in Europe in 2022 killed 60,000 people. When I lived in Germany as a kid in the 1960'-70's, no one had air conditioning, it just wasn't needed. While the world will get hotter, we expect to get more prosperous and more of the people in hot countries will be able to afford air conditioning. But power grid failures are more likely during the heavy load when everyone turns on air conditioning during a heat wave, so a heat wave combined with a power failure could be catastrophic. For various reasons, heat waves kill more females than males. When I say "global crop failure of 30%" I mean "simultaneous crop failures in multiple regions amounting to a global loss of 30%". Crop failures would be caused by droughts and flooding. Note that these numbers are for a global crop failure, which means crop failures in multiple breadbaskets at once. Crop failures in any one region in isolation would be much more likely. The thing about crop failures, other than people directly starving, is if people are hungry but not quite starving, or being bankrupted by food prices skyrocketing, this could lead to a lot of civil unrest and even warfare, for example when a severe drought caused a 40% crop failure in Russia in 2010 led to food shortages and high food prices, which contributed to the beginning of the Arab Spring, which caused the Syrian civil war and the disintegration of Libya into a failed state, both of which caused huge flows of refugees into Europe and the rise of terrorist groups. The large flow of Islamic refugees into Europe contributed to the rise of far-right political parties all over that continent. And that was just a crop failure in one country, not a global crop failure. Another consideration is that food production will migrate more to northern latitudes. This means that Russia will control a growing share of global food production. The current ruler of Russia is a dictator who frequently murders his political opposition and is so ruthless that he has been frequently threatening nuclear warfare against non-nuclear-armed countries and conducting drone and missile attacks on residential neighborhoods, deliberately killing civilians. It would be unfortunate to be trusting that government with the power to cut off the food supply to much of the world as a political weapon. One meter is roughly 3 feet and four inches. The estimates of sea-level rise are very uncertain. Sea-level rise is mostly caused by three things:
"A" and "B" are fairly straightforward for climate scientists to model and predict, but there are some very large, unstable land-based glaciers in Antarctica whose breakup could be sudden and catastrophic, and it's very hard to predict exactly when they will let go and flow into the ocean. Therefore, the numbers given here are very uncertain. One meter doesn't sound like much sea-level rise, since most people live much more than a meter above sea-level. But it's not like everything one meter about sea-level is safe -- when storms happen, there is often a large low-pressure area at the storm that sucks sea water toward it from all directions, resulting in a temporary sea-level rise. So you might think that you're safe at 2 meters above sea-level, but that's not the case -- during hurricane Sandy in New York City in 2012, the storm raised sea-level by 2.6 meters, which combined with high tide at the time was a 3.5 meter (10' 6") sea-level rise. Many neighborhoods and homes were flooded, an important power station in Manhattan was knocked out, subway tunnels were flooded, destroying electronic equipment in them. The R subway tunnel between Manhattan and Brooklyn was shut down for a year for repairs, and the L subway tunnel was partially shut down for awhile. Note that the probability of a two meter sea-level rise by 2100 is ~1-3%. |
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| Organizer:
Bill Chapman Cell: 212-810-0470 Email |